Struggling to fill those last-minute spots for your summer camp?
We hear you! It's one of the biggest weeks of ministry, budget, and responsibility of the whole year!
Fear not, as in this episode, we'll provide you with valuable insights and strategies to ensure a successful camp season. Join Chad and Zac as they talk about what makes camp extra great!
In this episode we discuss the importance of being prepared for potential changes, proactive communication with senior leadership, and how to motivate students who may not have been considering attending camp.
Let's talk about how personal invitations and sharing stories of previous camp experiences can make all the difference.
As you finalize for the summer camp season, this episode will help you plan, adapt, and communicate effectively to create an unforgettable experience for all involved. So, let's get ready to make this summer camp one for the books!
Struggling to fill those last-minute spots for your summer camp?
We hear you! It's one of the biggest weeks of ministry, budget, and responsibility of the whole year!
Fear not, as in this episode, we'll provide you with valuable insights and strategies to ensure a successful camp season. Join Chad and Zac as they talk about what makes camp extra great!
In this episode we discuss the importance of being prepared for potential changes, proactive communication with senior leadership, and how to motivate students who may not have been considering attending camp.
Let's talk about how personal invitations and sharing stories of previous camp experiences can make all the difference.
As you finalize for the summer camp season, this episode will help you plan, adapt, and communicate effectively to create an unforgettable experience for all involved. So, let's get ready to make this summer camp one for the books!
Aaaaaaahhh, snap. Hey, welcome back to another episode of the Youth Ministry Booster podcast. My name is Zach Orkin. Here in the garage with my best friend, chad Higgins. Still, always Still, and always Still, and always is nice. I'll appreciate that, chad. I want to tell you, though, i'm looking forward to some of our summer months recording, because it's not going to be so cold in the garage, oh, but it's going to be blistery hot, it's going to be hot Chad's going to be tank top by the end of the summer.
Speaker 1:Nope, nope, we'll see that Yeah, yeah, yeah, summers out of fun.
Speaker 2:Patriot fans only.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's the paleo extra to see that. But we are all excited to talk about the topic today because it is summer camp themed, because it's summer camp season And I think for a lot of folks they want to know Chad Higgins, how many camps are you going to this summer? It is your favorite thing. Camp is your favorite thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I've only accepted to go to three camps this summer. Okay, A conservative three.
Speaker 1:That's good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm only doing three camps, and so that, yeah, it'll be really awesome.
Speaker 1:Any turstops, people could see you at said camps if they're, like you know, just out in the camp circuit, out in the Winnebago, wanting to see old Chad Higgins on the road. Where are you going to be at this summer?
Speaker 2:We're all just there. Yeah, you can't get into the camp grounds.
Speaker 1:I know, but just tell the folks where you're going to be somewhere. fun Are these new camps?
Speaker 2:fun camps. Yeah, so I'll be. One of the camps is in North Carolina.
Speaker 1:Okay, one of the camps is in.
Speaker 2:Florida, and then one of them is in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1:Okay, All right. So yeah, trekking, trekking in the southeast.
Speaker 2:That's a good time Yeah okay, okay. What about you? You're going to be a couple of places. You're even doing one of our camps.
Speaker 1:I am doing one of our camps. I'm really excited. I'm excited about this summer, which the Oklahoma and me is trying to sort that out, but really excited for our SBTC friends and getting to hang out and kind of doing the trifecta of. they've got a camp in Corpus Christi, camp in Austin and they have a camp, ironically, in Glorietta, new Mexico, i guess you're doing all three of them, all three, i know you're doing all three, yeah, all three.
Speaker 1:And then I get to stay an extra week in Glorietta for our student life friends. So, student life camp goers in Glorietta, i get to actually live in Santa Fe, new Mexico, for 10 days this summer. The family's coming out for it, so it's you know, we're full tilt camp, boogie band happening.
Speaker 1:You're like the other we're going to be splitting up. Yes, right, splitting up. We're still going to bring you great podcast stuff every other week this summer. That's one of the things that, no, we're going to. It's going to be great. People are going to love it, because people have asked in the summer they need a little fun. Yeah, this is. the kids are asleep on the van. What do I listen to? that's safe and clean and hilarious. So I think we commit now.
Speaker 2:Okay, all of our episodes. This will be our last like not serious but like content for, i think, the rest of the summer. Just fun, just fun.
Speaker 1:So if there's a fun thing that we haven't talked about that you want us to talk about, get it in for summer, as wild and crazy as you want it to be. I mean, it may be the return of Shark Week at some point this summer. A lot of folks have missed.
Speaker 2:Quick what's your?
Speaker 1:favorite shark, a tiger shark Hammerhead, it's got the best face.
Speaker 2:That's an amazing shirt. Hammerhead sharks Love my face.
Speaker 1:It's a face that only a mother hammerhead could love. You know sharks But other weird things. we've had folks that have asked about some of the weird games that we've played before and stuff. I'm totally down to dedicate a whole episode to the Exodus Relay or the Sasquatch hunt for those that have curious questions, so we're excited to hang out with you all.
Speaker 1:It's going to be a fun summer. We're going to share. More things about that are coming up later this fall, but I feel like for some folks this might be a little bit of a crunch.
Speaker 2:That may be feeling it.
Speaker 1:Feeling it. I mean it's. We're after Mother's Day, we're after, most likely, most graduations, maybe a few graduation parties hanging out there in all eyes, or towards June and July Summer activities. Last couple years, covid concerns and cautions have maybe shuffled the deck a little bit, but a lot of folks are heading to camp in the next few weeks And we have heard from some of our friends maybe hoping to take a few more to camp than they currently have signed up right now.
Speaker 1:So if that's you, if you're watching or listening to this and you're like I need six more students to come to camp, if you're feeling the pinch or the pressure, papa Chad's got a little bit of wisdom. We want to share a little bit of insight, maybe to assuage some of those fears, but also maybe some of those actions you could take. I think the crisis of I need a few more kids signed up for camp is a perpetual fear that most will have at some season or seasons of ministry, and we wanted to address it because we are here with you riding co-pilot, talking about it. So, chad, set up a little more. You're kind of bringing this question because you this was like- the past.
Speaker 2:We've heard it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've seen it, we've heard it. We wanted to address it as specifically as possible for our friends in ministry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think in so to clarify, because there's, i think there's two sides to this and this feeling One. you have just the like. we want to take as many kids as we can to camp, like pack them up, the more the better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:How do we get a few more?
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But then there's also the side that, depending on the type of camp you go to, the way your registration works, even the way your costs work, that you may have, like a number Pre-committed, some numbers. Yeah, a number that you have to get to or your church is on the hook, yeah, and so I would say the second part of this is the one that we want to identify a little bit more In the feelings of the urgency.
Speaker 1:Correct, if you already got a bunch of kids and you'd love to have a few more, sure, i love you. Forget you. We'll see you this time next year with some things on that. Yeah, this one goes out for all the listeners that are like, if I don't get five more, then we're out. Five deposits Yeah, that's, i think, the first thing we're trying to talk to today.
Speaker 2:I also want to be thoughtful and mindful in the reality that this is going to be coming out. When is it?
Speaker 1:In May, So In May.
Speaker 2:So, like you may be in the spot where you're like we leave for camp in four days. Yeah, that's right, and so I also. We're actually on the road to camp right now, right I don't want this episode to fall in anybody's lap, of it being like oh great, another reminder that I'm a horrible youth pastor. Because that is not the case. You're not, so. we have all been, whether it's camp or somewhere.
Speaker 1:A D now that failed to fill. Yeah, true, true, true, story time or whatever. Early years in ministry we had the D. Now we had the camp. Both went great, being Zach working. I was like why not add one more thing? So we had kind of like a missions weekend. So we had like a disciple weekend, a big like evangelism camp and like a missions weekend. And so because the other two had gone well that year before this big fall weekend, i was like we're going to serve, we're going to do is going to be cheap because it's missions, so we'll spend a little extra and bring a cool fun band out. Was the wrong weekend, was the wrong schedule. Had a concert for seven kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it happens and it hurts.
Speaker 1:Sure, and the band looks at you and I'm like, man, is anybody else coming? I'm like, maybe it's a surprise. Maybe it's a surprise, it's real.
Speaker 2:That's when you say things like there's good, but like you're like audience of one.
Speaker 1:I see it. I'm like, hey, you'll minister to everybody who's here by name.
Speaker 2:So the first thing in once again I don't want to pile on, but I think I think opportunities you've got a few weeks, they're still taught.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's still some questions to ask.
Speaker 2:There's opportunities like this we need to learn from Okay, because if we don't learn from home, we'll continue to make those same type of mistakes.
Speaker 1:That's right, because camp is probably going to happen again next year, sure It is.
Speaker 2:There are a couple of things that I would set up, depending and I know everybody's camp thing is different, so it's hard to talk about a situation where you know you're doing your own camp, right taking to somebody. But if you are in a scenario where the camp that you're going requires a deposit, the one thing that I would add that I don't think people do enough is requiring nonrefundable deposits from your students.
Speaker 1:that are going to camp. You should match some of that. Like, if they're going to ask, it's okay for you to ask to help coincide with because a lot of folks have drop dates for deposits.
Speaker 2:You should probably sync up your payments for that as well, and that way you don't feel like, well, they'll pay later, right, they're going to pay later, right They're students with yeah, it may not do what you want them to do You're guaranteeing that you think that people are going to come that you don't know are going to come, And I think it often not always, but it often seems like it's a little bit easier to add some spaces or a lot of places will allow you to have certain drops over a certain period of time, those kinds of things, Phases.
Speaker 2:If you need to come down, but asking your people and requiring a deposit, even if it's not the full amount, and then you're able to tell your people Hey, like you're committing to this and we're, we're turning your money over to the campground that we have to go to, we're just passing it through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so because I know a lot of times, sometimes when we don't hit those numbers, it will often happen where you'll have like that one, like key student that drops out And then just magically all of their friends.
Speaker 1:The ripples Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you'll have family vacations that week. Thanks, isaac.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so requiring those kinds of things can help provide some of that buffer as well. I think part of it is knowing what are. what are my set costs And then what are my flex costs Right?
Speaker 1:What's fixed, what's very correct.
Speaker 2:And then being able to identify okay, what is our actual budget for this? I think a lot of times we build out budgets for events that are break even. We want to get break even, but it actually will require a pretty good number to break even Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think building your budget lower than higher is always a smart move because you're able to. Then, if you do have extra students come, you can make that experience even better. There seems to be a lot of things you have within your amount of columns to fit your appetite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i haven't done that yet.
Speaker 2:So you know some of the ways that you're able to set out and help everyone with that, but often people don't see what you're doing to your school, because it's good for you A really nice shirt.
Speaker 1:Kids don't get to have breakfast. Well, i mean, they got breakfast. It was just like stale pop tarts that we got at the bread store. You know, like the, we went to the bread store the two-day-old bread store and we loaded up.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but there are some things that and we've talked about this some of those enhancement things the water bottle or the you know the bus got air conditioning instead of the non-air conditioned bus or whatever, like. There's some of those things that just make part of the experience great and matter, that you shouldn't be trying to shave all those out as you plan, but those are like the things that are like okay, we're in a real tight mode. The thing that I would want to share and you name this in some of our pre-conversation is don't carry this process on your own back. As someone who's really prone to like shoulder all of the burden and responsibility, part of working with a camp ground, or even planning your own camp, is the opportunity to share the load. It's they're going to help take care of this. We're going to use this camp ground for that. Like. If everything for camp from food to finances, to content, to leaders, to transportation is on your back and you don't have the team built around you, then of course it's going to feel like anything that's wrong is your fault. There's too many moving parts to just carry all of it alone, and so I think having updates with the team, even if that team is two to three people, is important, like letting them know you know as soon as you can, as often as you can, and especially your senior leadership. Know here's where we're at and here's what we've done to try to manage it as well as we can.
Speaker 1:It's not just I don't know, man, it's looking bad this year, it's hey, we're a few behind. We've made these calls, we've sent these emails, we've connected with these folks personally. We're either waiting to hear back or this is what happened. There was a couple of years ago, there was a camp that we did and, like two large families both got sick because they vacationed together And so two weeks for camp, they're both like out, and so it was one of those like it really impacted. We lost four sponsors and eight kids because they all went trailer camp and doing or whatever the national parks weeks before, and so it jeopardized some of the plans that we had. That's a little different, because we had a plan and we lost a plan. But being able to account for the changes I think a lot of leadership is being able to manage and account for the changes and the actions that we could take or we have taken. That matter It matters, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, i think that relational thing is really really important, specifically talking about like senior leadership things like that, and so this is my encouragement to you, if you know that you are already in a rough spot for camp.
Speaker 1:You're fighting the uphill, don't wait.
Speaker 2:Don't wait until after camp to inform your senior leadership of like where you're at.
Speaker 1:Don't open that envelope, Right?
Speaker 2:You're like hey, by the way, camp was great, we went $8,000 over budget.
Speaker 1:But great time, but a great time, had a great time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that changes that conversation pretty quickly. I'm bringing them in because sometimes your senior leadership maybe have some ability to help right, be able to talk to some key families.
Speaker 1:Those kind of things going on to invite.
Speaker 2:I think that those are always a really, really positive thing, okay, so, zach, yeah, if you're sitting in that boat right now, let's say you're a month out from camp.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going in July.
Speaker 2:You feel like, man, we need at least 10 more students. What would be some of the things that you would do that you feel like maybe you haven't done yet, that could be good?
Speaker 1:The first thing I would not encourage myself to not do or encourage myself to do is to totally panic and throw everything out at once. I would get really strategic. This is where having those five healthy documents that help manage your ministry, that roster of students who's already coming, Who said no, I'm not coming, and who's giving them the little, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I would start on the I don't know list. If you can call and talk to their parent, that student. Hey, here's the situation. Let me sell you the vision of this. I think sometimes we advertise the event and we don't always sell the vision. Sometimes a vision takes a phone call. I think you start that. So you're organized. Take an hour, organize who you're gonna call, make some of those calls. I think this is where you can loop some of those calls with your senior leadership or your kid's ministry that might know the family better than you. If you feel like I don't really have that relationship with the Normans that well, but maybe, like she does and she can help make that call because kids camp they were there every year, they're not coming this year. Let's maybe find out more.
Speaker 2:What happened?
Speaker 1:I think for some of your students who are really influential students ask them if they have a friend that wants to go, even if and this is where everybody's gonna have different constraints, restraints or opportunities even if it's like let's bring your friend and see if we can help incentivize them to come, if 50 bucks off camp would help your friend come, is that a thing that we could put out there for Tyler and Jacob to invite some of their buddies. Again, it's the you can invite your friends and we want you to. You may have been saying, hey, invite your friends, invite your friends, but those really specific calls and invitations, not you're asking the whole ministry to bring friends.
Speaker 1:You're looking at Tyler and Jacob and Ashley, will you bring some friends Like who's one person you could bring? Cause, if you get three or four of those kids that are like you know, i didn't even think about asking Nate to come. This is your chance for you to call Nate. I think there's a little bit of the grandparent who has like the grand kid Maybe they don't come to your church all the time but, man, if there's that grand kid that's there every three or four weeks and has always been a little bit distant, there is a grandmother or grandfather that would love to have their kid more connect to your ministry, even if it's a The grandparent mode is a really good one.
Speaker 1:That is someone who wants to write a check to get their grand kid more involved in your ministry. I get it. They're one town over, they're once a month, they're at best, but so are some of your other kids too. That's not wrong. I think there's probably some students that are adjacent to some of the other ministries you have going on. I think in a lot of church life there is a youth ministry and there's some kids that sit outside that bubble. Sometimes it's cause they had trouble connecting. They didn't know how to find their way in.
Speaker 1:Camp often can be a really important opportunity to make some memories together. If you haven't directly invited them, i think this is the chance to do that. But more than anything, more than anything, i think you raise the awareness that there are not just more spots left, but we've got six spots that we wanna fill, we have eight spots we wanna fill, and so it becomes a specific objective or goal together and not just the hey, we need more kids at camp. Hey, sign up all your friends. Let's make it the targeted goal. Make it a goal and specific as we can for what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2:This was always the area where, so the one thing that a lot of youth pastors complain about is the sport stuff. This is where I think you can actually utilize some of the sports. Okay, turn on, ted. Yeah so when you have that one kid who's the baseball player, you know what I mean And maybe they're going to camp Go Blue Jays, yeah.
Speaker 2:Most of the year they're at baseball stuff. Yeah, this is the opportunity to get to know their team, invite the team And so to literally go to that kid and be like and here's how I would pitch it. Hey, there's Camp Softball at camp. Let's crush it let's build a team that would own everyone. And now that kid who loves baseball wants to get all of his friends to camp cause they're gonna dominate the baseball tournament, or whatever that looks like Again, you're not inviting them to camp generally, you're inviting them to like hey, let's build your team bring them into this team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause for that kid. they may not be at a spot where they feel real comfortable turning to all their friends and being like would you like to come to church camp? Yeah, but Bro, we didn't know you go to church.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right. Well, now we have two lessons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, but to give them the easy ask for their baseball team of, hey, there's this camp. It's gonna be a lot of fun By the way, they have softball If we all went our like you know, tournament level baseball team probably gonna win, Probably gonna crush it As someone who on the adult team.
Speaker 1:So it was the open league camp that we went to as the four on four open league. As one of the guys who was crushed by a high school girls JV volleyball team, I'm pretty sure she just invited her club 100% And they destroyed it. It was amazing.
Speaker 2:We actually did that back in the day, So That was your plan it was your play. We would go after entire teams. Okay, we wanted, because if you're gonna have kids that are quasi there because of travel sports, I wanna know all their friends. Yeah, Because you know they may not be able to be there, but if our student ministry can be an influence on that team, The whole team sure.
Speaker 2:Then that's a huge win. And so there was a volleyball team that was like that. back in the day We had one of our young ladies was on this volleyball team that they had won three state championships in a row. They were unbelievably good. Two of the girls had just graduated to go play division one volleyball. And then the other one was like she was a junior going into senior year.
Speaker 2:She 100% went on as well, Just gonna go play yeah, so there was a big volleyball tournament that would happen every year at camp And we were like you know, you guys could come and crush this right And-.
Speaker 1:Four days of mayhem.
Speaker 2:We got their entire team to come out.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And the first game of camp volleyball was so lopsided that we literally called the huddle to all those girls and was like, okay, you're playing groups of kids that are not good. Yeah, Let them play and have fun. Let's wait till the final day And then destroy it To actually start running our plays again, Cause they really were. They were out there running One seven.
Speaker 1:Correct. Oh oh oh. No, they start calling numbers. If they start calling numbers when you're playing volleyball against them, you're done. Like just know your toast, you're done Yeah.
Speaker 2:Cause one of the girls. She was legit, probably like six two.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And could just jump out of the gym. She went on to play volleyball at Texas A&M, but her spike Shudders And watching. You know it's one thing to watch her play against another team for a state championship. When she's doing that spike against a seventh grader, She's a high eighth graders. Oh yeah, They were just trying to like oh no, oh no, Yeah, yeah, you're like okay, let's, let's pull that back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, We can win by just plums. The girl who's building a sand castle, They get spiked on. Oh, I mean like yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that student pastor is going to have a hard time getting her to come back again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, create a deficit for somebody else, so good job.
Speaker 2:Okay, but the thing that I would encourage in that go after those teams, i would ask the question who has not signed up? that was signed up last year.
Speaker 1:Sure, So again, work the roster of the ones that you had from last year. Again, we're working with the documents that we have the role, the roster last year to this year. Yeah, good, good, good.
Speaker 2:This is another thing. It's a little bit too late for this, but going into next year, that I really, really encourage everybody to do Always chain your events. Yeah. What I mean by that is there should never be an event that you do in your student ministry that doesn't lead to the next thing. Yeah, And so, case in point if you had a disciple now two months ago February marks great time to have one That disciple now should have been the release of your camp forms at the end of that, And so or maybe The link should have gone live.
Speaker 1:Yep. Or the email after camp was thanks for coming to this. Let's do it again in June, Correct, yep.
Speaker 2:Get signed up now. You can save X number of dollars if you register now, link them up And so have those chained events that go into each other. And then between those two you're talking about different elements of camp Every single week leading up to that, and so it's never the same pitch week in and week out. You may come back to certain things multiple times, but like one week you're talking about-. The wreck in the sport The wreck in the sport, the art, the connection with others.
Speaker 1:We're away from your parents for a whole week, like that is one point. Not the whole point, but there is a week of that right Like hey, it's a week away from your folks. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so you're talking about those different things because it's gonna hit students differently of going. Oh, I wanna come to that. That'll be awesome, I would say, having the ability, even in this time period, right now, if you haven't already done it. Make it easy to ask friends Yeah, What I mean by that is you wanna take down as many barriers as you can. That's good. A lot of times it is get your friends signed up for camp. Okay, well, what do they need to do? If your kids are asking at this point what do my friends need to do to get signed?
Speaker 1:up for camp. Not can I go to camp. How do I get signed up for camp? That's a barrier that you can eliminate, correct. That's the problem that you can solve with and for them. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so there's multiple different ways to do that, depending on how you do that. Maybe you have a full online process, but I would still have some sort of card or something like that.
Speaker 1:That's actual physical QR code simple link.
Speaker 2:Or a simple text, and I would put it in both forms, make sure that Copy paste shared around. Boom, boom. You can send it, because for a lot of kids they want it on their phone. But to be able to have it quick and easy on the phone, that they can send it to a friend, that all of that. If you've got a process to where a kid's parents have to come up to the church to get paperwork To complete a packet and turn it back into-.
Speaker 2:You've caused so many steps at this point that you're gonna have that what's that phrase in online shopping the empty cart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Where a family goes. oh yeah, we'll do that, And then it's like oh, i gotta get up there. Eventually, that parent will just go no, you're not going to camp Because it's caused a bad There's so much friction.
Speaker 1:The shopping friction will create the remorse, but I think those are the things. yeah, some of those you can't fix. If you're four days out, you can't fix those things. So, in the spirit of not panicking, would you mark those things down, because the thing that you just shared is the thing that I want to end on today. We have to chain the things together that we're doing.
Speaker 1:The best time to start planning for camp next year Now Is camp now And one of the things that you can do is one to recalibrate who's here who enjoyed it, but again to gather the stories of why camp was meaningful and great. It is so very different when you try to sell camp versus when students share about camp. Both help get kids to attend camp in the summertime. When you have to sell, it can feel really hard When students get to share because at camp you filmed them, after camp you recorded it And the photos and the stories and the thoughts and the little like four minute docu-series you put together of how Taylor's softball team came and destroyed it came up. Tell that story.
Speaker 1:Tell the story of how it was exciting and fun, because sometimes I feel like our own worst enemy is this urgency of like. I have to fill a spot. One of the most exciting invite is you know what you didn't make it this year But next year promising to be really awesome. If you can't come this year, i want you to check it out for next year, to set up and not just sell what really is happening. Involving others along the way makes it slower. That's important, significant, but also really key to help share the story beyond just what you have to say what others are saying about it.
Speaker 2:Can I end with this One of the? there's like a leadership lesson where they looked at World War II planes that would come back from like air raids And they would see like where all they were, you know, shot and all these kinds of things, and you'd see a lot of like bullet holes in the main area of the plane. And so when they came back, the thought is, well, this is where these planes that survived.
Speaker 2:We need to, like put extra, you know like armor protection or along the middle, because this is obviously where they're getting shot. But the reality is, all the planes that weren't coming back were shot in the areas that they didn't see any of the survivor planes right, it was the wing area, and so, in reality, where you need to put your armor is where the planes were getting shot that weren't coming back, and I think right now is a good time to really evaluate for next year what are the things that are happening at camp Or leading up to camp that's causing students to not be there And to be really honest. Right, sometimes we can sugarcoat and there's a good time to celebrate the wins of camp, but there also has to be a real time where we were honest and we go. Man, maybe the facilities of the camp that we go to are causing students to not wanna come.
Speaker 1:Maybe the week's wrong. Maybe the week's wrong. Maybe that is the week that just doesn't line up for abandoned football kids.
Speaker 2:And so we need to evaluate those for next year or the years to come to really be able to say, hey, man, even though it's easy for me and I like these things, maybe it actually doesn't work And you may have to, like, find a new place or new camp or whatever that looks like, and we would really encourage you to do that that works the best for your people.
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